The One True God [Trump]

[GenericPlayer]

they have to kill humans to be considered murderers :grinning:

Guess they're murderers then.

 

[ruben slikk]

Since 9/11, the U.S. has admitted 784,000 refugees into the country. According to the Migration Policy Institute, during that time, exactly three refugees were found to have links to terrorism — so, approximately .00038 percent of refugees in the U.S. have had ties to terrorism. Two of these refugees were caught while trying to leave the country to join extremist groups abroad. All three are currently in prison. Lavinia Limón, the president of the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, told The Atlantic:

I don't know, perhaps because getting into the US is pretty hard and there's actual screening? I don't have much against immigration - I have something against extensive immigration that is unscreened. The US has admitted 784k refugees since 9/11. Germany has admitted more than 1 million in a single year, 2015

 

[Aziatsky]

Year Civilians killed as a result of insurgent actions Civilians killed as a result of U.S-led military actions Civilians killed as a result of the war
2001 n/a

• The Project on Defense Alternatives estimated that in a 3-month period between October 7, 2001 and January 1, 2002, at least 1,000-1,300 civilians were directly killed by the U.S.-led aerial bombing campaign,[5] and that by mid-January 2002, at least 3,200 more Afghans had died of "starvation, exposure, associated illnesses, or injury sustained while in flight from war zones", as a result of war.[6]
• The Los Angeles Times found that in a 5-month period from October 7, 2001 to February 28, 2002, there were between 1,067 and 1,201 civilian deaths from the bombing campaign reported in U.S., British, and Pakistani newspapers and international wire services.[7]
• According to The Guardian, possibly as many as 20,000 Afghans died in 2001 as an indirect result of the initial U.S. airstrikes and ground invasion.[8]
• Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated that in the 20-month period between October 7, 2001 and June 3, 2003, at least 3,100 to 3,600 civilians were directly killed by U.S.-led forces.[9]

2002 n/a
2003 n/a
2004 n/a n/a n/a
2005 n/a

• Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated at least 408-478 Afghan civilians were directly killed by U.S./NATO actions.[10]

• direct civilian deaths: at least 408 to 478

2006

• Human Rights Watch estimated at least 699 Afghan civilians were killed by various insurgent forces in 2006.[11]

• Human Rights Watch estimated at least 230 Afghan civilians were killed by US or NATO attacks in 2006: 116 by airstrikes and 114 by ground fire.[12]
• Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated at least 653-769 Afghan civilians were directly killed by U.S./NATO actions.[10]

• Human Rights Watch estimated at least 929 Afghan civilians were killed in fighting related to the armed conflict in 2006.[11] In all, they estimated more than 4,400 Afghans (civilians and militants) were killed in conflict-related violence in 2006, twice as many as in 2005.[13]
• An Associated Press tally based on reports from NATO, coalition, and Afghan officials, estimated 4,000 Afghans (civilians and militants) were killed in 2006.[13]

2007

• The UN Assistance Mission Afghanistan (UNAMA) estimated that 700 Afghan civilians were killed by anti-government elements in 2007, accounting for 46% of the civilian casualties.[14][15]
• Human Rights Watch estimated that at least 950 Afghan civilians were killed by various insurgent forces in 2007.[11]

• Human Rights Watch estimated at least 434 Afghan civilians were killed by US or NATO attacks in 2007: 321 by airstrikes and 113 by ground fire. Another 57 civilians were killed in crossfire, and 192 died under unclear circumstances.[12]
• The UN Assistance Mission Afghanistan (UNAMA) estimated that 629 Afghan civilians were killed by international and Afghan forces in 2007, accounting for 41% of the civilian casualties.[14][15]
• Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated at least 1,010-1,297 Afghan civilians were directly killed by U.S./NATO actions.[10]

• The UN Assistance Mission Afghanistan (UNAMA) estimated that 1,523 Afghan civilians died as a direct result of armed conflict in 2007.[14][16]
• Human Rights Watch estimated at least 1,633 Afghan civilians were killed in fighting related to the armed conflict in 2007.[11]

2008

• The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) estimated that around 1,000 civilians were killed by militant groups in 2008.[17]
• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported that 1,160 Afghan civilians were killed by anti-government forces in 2008, accounting for 55% of the civilian deaths.[18][19]
• The Afghanistan Rights Monitor(ARM) estimated that over 2,300 civilians were killed by insurgents in 2008, including 930 in suicide bombings.[17][20]

• The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) estimated that around 800 civilians were killed by U.S.-led military forces in 2008.[17]
• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported that 828 Afghan civilians had been killed by international-led military forces in 2008, accounting for 39% of the civilian deaths. Air-strikes accounted for the largest proportion of this number, 64%, with 552 civilians killed as a result of U.S./NATO airstrikes.[18][19]
• According to Afghanistan's ambassador to Australia, Amanullah Jayhoon, 1,000 Afghan civilians were killed by coalition forces in 2008.[21]
• The Afghanistan Rights Monitor(ARM) estimated that over 1,620 civilians were killed by U.S.-led military forces in 2008, including 680 killed in airstrikes. ARM also estimated that military operations by US-led NATO and coalition forces caused at least 2,800 injuries and displaced 80,000 people from their homes.[17][20]
• Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated at least 864-1,017 Afghan civilians were directly killed by U.S./NATO foreign forces in 2008.[22]

• The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) estimated that around 1,800 civilians were killed as a result of the armed hostilities in 2008.[17]
• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported that 2,118 Afghan civilians wered killed as a direct result of armed conflict in 2008, the highest number since the end of the initial 2001 invasion.[16][18][19][23]
• The Afghanistan Rights Monitor (ARM) estimated that in 2008 around 3,917 civilians were killed, over 6,800 were wounded, and around 120,000 were forced out of their homes.[17][20]

2009

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) attributed 1,630 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by anti-government elements in 2009, representing two-thirds of the 2,412 Afghan civilian deaths it recorded in the American-led war in 2009.[24][25]

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) attributed 596 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by international-led military forces in 2009, representing about a quarter of the 2,412 Afghan civilian deaths it recorded as having been caused by the war in 2009.[24][25]

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) recorded 2,412 Afghan civilian deaths in the American-led war in 2009, representing a jump of 14% over the number killed in 2008. In 186 (8%) of the deaths, UNAMA was unable to clearly attribute the cause to any one side.[24][25]

2010

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) attributed 2,080 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by anti-government elements in 2010, up 28% from 2009 and representing 74.9% of the 2,777 Afghan civilian deaths they recorded in the American-led war in 2010.[26][27]

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) attributed 440 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by U.S.-led military forces in 2010, down 26% from 2009 and representing 15.9% of the 2,777 Afghan civilian deaths they recorded in the American-led war in 2010.[26][27]

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) recorded 2,777 Afghan civilian deaths in the American-led war in 2010, a jump of 15% over the number killed in 2009. In 9% of the deaths, UNAMA and AIHRC were unable to clearly attribute the cause to any one side.[26][27]

2011

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) attributed 1,167 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by anti-government elements in the first six months of 2011, up 28% from the same period in 2010 and representing 79.8% of the total 1,462 Afghan civilian deaths they recorded in the conflict during this period.[28]

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) attributed 207 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by U.S.-led military forces in the first six months of 2011, down 9% from the same period in 2010 and representing 14.2% of the 1,462 Afghan civilian deaths they recorded in the conflict during this period.[28]

• The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) recorded 1,462 Afghan civilian deaths in the American-led war in the first six months of 2011, a jump of 15% over the number killed in the same period in 2010. In 6% of the deaths, UNAMA and AIHRC were unable to clearly attribute the cause to any one side.

Get your reactionary US Imperialism out of here.

What is war? Civilians die. Rather on purpose or not. You don't call EVERY soldier a murderer.

 

[GenericPlayer]

What is war? Civilians die. Rather on purpose or not. You don't call EVERY soldier a murderer.

You can if they purposely aim for civilians; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-uncovers-sadistic-death-squad-in-ranks.html

 

[ruben slikk]

You can if they purposely aim for civilians; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-uncovers-sadistic-death-squad-in-ranks.html

man, I guess ALL soldiers can be held accountable for those civilian deaths. Just like ALL muslims can be held accountable for the terrorist attacks

 

[Aziatsky]

You can if they purposely aim for civilians; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-uncovers-sadistic-death-squad-in-ranks.html

So EVERY single soldier of the US Armed forces killed at least 1 civilian on purpose?
Including cooks, MPs, and other POGs?

 

[GenericPlayer]

man, I guess ALL soldiers can be held accountable for those civilian deaths. Just like ALL muslims can be held accountable for the terrorist attacks

So EVERY single soldier of the US Armed forces killed at least 1 civilian on purpose?
Including cooks, MPs, and other POGs?

if they purposely aim for civilians

No, but that doesn't mean that the army itself is a bastion of humanity, or that they don't frequently commit war crimes. Way to take it out of context. You can't just go ahead and say that all [Insert group of people here] are responsible for [Insert event here]. However if people have done that, they have to be held accountable. The US Soldiers may not all be murderers, their superiors however most certainly are.

 

[ruben slikk]

You can't just go ahead and say that all [Insert group of people here] are responsible for [Insert event here].

I can if said group of people follows a holy book that advocates things done in [insert event here]

 

[Aziatsky]

No, but that doesn't mean that the army itself is a bastion of humanity, or that they don't frequently commit war crimes. Way to take it out of context. You can't just go ahead and say that all [Insert group of people here] are responsible for [Insert event here]. However if people have done that, they have to be held accountable. The US Soldiers may not all be murderers, their superiors however most certainly are.

This just in, America corrupt!

This just in, water is wet!

This just in, sadistic people exist!

Also, EVERY superior? Every single one of them?

"A military pretrial hearing will review evidence later this month and decide how to proceed with the case, which could see the men jailed for life. All the accused deny any wrongdoing."

No sir.

Read your own fucking link before you send it and start claiming that every [anything] is sadistic just because a few guys joined the army to kill. There are people like that in every military.

EDIT: this came off more hostile than I wanted it to

i say fucking a lot, not trying to be an asshole

 

[GenericPlayer]

This just in, America corrupt!

This just in, water is wet!

This just in, sadistic people exist!

Also, EVERY superior? Every single one of them?

"A military pretrial hearing will review evidence later this month and decide how to proceed with the case, which could see the men jailed for life. All the accused deny any wrongdoing."

No sir.

If you are even partially responsible for the invasion of a country under false pretenses just to expand your already large empire, then yes sir, they are murderes. There were attempts to cover up the death squad before this hearing, there are documentaries if you want to watch them, or don't, I've not got a gun to your head. 9/11 was the result of Ex Mujahadeen members getting greedy and attacking their ex-ally, the events that followed were the murder of civilians via drone strikes and infantry over a period of ten years.

I can if said group of people follows a holy book that advocates things done in [insert event here]

man, I guess ALL soldiers can be held accountable for those civilian deaths. Just like ALL muslims can be held accountable for the terrorist attacks

Gotta keep consistent.

 

[ruben slikk]

Gotta keep consistent.

All muslims follow a holy book that advocates killing of infidels

Not all soldiers follow regulations that make them kill civilians

 

[Aziatsky]

If you are even partially responsible for the invasion of a country under false pretenses just to expand your already large empire, then yes sir, they are murderes. There were attempts to cover up the death squad before this hearing, there are documentaries if you want to watch them, or don't, I've not got a gun to your head. 9/11 was the result of Ex Mujahadeen members getting greedy and attacking their ex-ally, the events that followed were the murder of civilians via drone strikes and infantry over a period of ten years.





Gotta keep consistent.

You do realize the first invasions of the middle east were justified because Saddam invaded an ally right? Noted, we really wanted to go over there but that doesn't really mean it was any left justified. The second invasion was because if you sit back and let nations fly planes into buildings, they'll keep doing it over and over again because you give them an inch and they'll demand a mile or in this case they'll take a mile. It's called war. Please tell me you've heard of a superior fighting force going into another nation and taking shit over? Russia fucking bulldozed the shit out of them after a bunch of terrorists shot up a school. Is all of Russia murderers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

 

[GenericPlayer]

All muslims follow a holy book that advocates killing of infidels

Not all soldiers follow regulations that make them kill civilians

You could say the same about Christians with the holy book argument. As for soldiers following regulations? Well here's a list of war crimes they have committed under the orders of their superiors:

No Gun Ri Massacre:

Spoiler: Info

The No Gun Ri Massacre refers to an incident of mass killing of an undetermined number of South Korean refugees conducted by U.S. soldiers of the 7th Cavalry Regiment (and in a U.S. air attack) between 26 July and 29 July 1950 at a railroad bridge near the village of Nogeun-ri, 100 miles (160 km) southeast ofSeoul. In 2005, the South Korean government certified the names of 163 dead or missing (mostly women, children, and old men) and 55 wounded. It said that many other victims' names were not reported.[70] Over the years survivors' estimates of the dead have ranged from 300 to 500. This episode early in theKorean War gained widespread attention when the Associated Press (AP) published a series of articles in 1999 that subsequently won a Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.[71]

My Lai Massacre

Spoiler: Info

My Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam, almost entirely civilians, most of them women and children, conducted by U.S. soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division, on 16 March 1968. Some of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War.[74][75] Of the 26 U.S. soldiers initially charged with criminal offenses or war crimes for actions at My Lai, only William Calley was convicted. Initially sentenced to life in prison, Calley had his sentence reduced to ten years, then was released after only three and a half years under house arrest. The incident prompted widespread outrage around the world, and reduced U.S. domestic support for the Vietnam War. Three American Servicemen (Hugh Thompson, Jr., Glenn Andreotta, and Lawrence Colburn), who made an effort to halt the massacre and protect the wounded, were sharply criticized by U.S. Congressmen, and received hate mail, death threats, and mutilated animals on their doorsteps.[76] Thirty years after the event their efforts were honored.[77]

Canicattì massacre

Spoiler: Info

The Canicatti massacre (or Canicatti slaughter) was an incident that occurred in Canicattì, Italy following its capture by American forces. During the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, eight unarmed Italian civilians were killed by U.S. troops. The town of Canicattì had already surrendered when U.S. troops entered, following heavy German bombardment during their withdrawal.

Upon arrival, U.S. troops received a report that civilians were looting a bombed factory and filling up buckets with the factory's products - food and liquid soap. At around six o'clock in the evening Lieutenant Colonel George Herbert McCaffrey, the military governor of Palermo, and some military police arrived at the factory. McCaffrey fired into the crowd after it failed to disperse. At least eight civilians, including an eleven-year-old girl, were killed, though the exact number of casualties is uncertain.[1][2]

Just to name a few.
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You do realize the first invasions of the middle east were justified because Saddam invaded an ally right? Noted, we really wanted to go over there but that doesn't really mean it was any left justified. The second invasion was because if you sit back and let nations fly planes into buildings, they'll keep doing it over and over again because you give them an inch and they'll demand a mile or in this case they'll take a mile. It's called war. Please tell me you've heard of a superior fighting force going into another nation and taking shit over? Russia fucking bulldozed the shit out of them after a bunch of terrorists shot up a school. Is all of Russia murderers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

There's a difference between besieging a school and killing terrorists, and funding a terrorist group, only for it to come back and terrorise you, so then you invade a country and kill innocents in the name of freedom

 

[Aziatsky]

You could say the same about Christians with the holy book argument. As for soldiers following regulations? Well here's a list of war crimes they have committed under the orders of their superiors:

No Gun Ri Massacre:

Spoiler: Info

The No Gun Ri Massacre refers to an incident of mass killing of an undetermined number of South Korean refugees conducted by U.S. soldiers of the 7th Cavalry Regiment (and in a U.S. air attack) between 26 July and 29 July 1950 at a railroad bridge near the village of Nogeun-ri, 100 miles (160 km) southeast ofSeoul. In 2005, the South Korean government certified the names of 163 dead or missing (mostly women, children, and old men) and 55 wounded. It said that many other victims' names were not reported.[70] Over the years survivors' estimates of the dead have ranged from 300 to 500. This episode early in theKorean War gained widespread attention when the Associated Press (AP) published a series of articles in 1999 that subsequently won a Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.[71]

My Lai Massacre

Spoiler: Info

My Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam, almost entirely civilians, most of them women and children, conducted by U.S. soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division, on 16 March 1968. Some of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War.[74][75] Of the 26 U.S. soldiers initially charged with criminal offenses or war crimes for actions at My Lai, only William Calley was convicted. Initially sentenced to life in prison, Calley had his sentence reduced to ten years, then was released after only three and a half years under house arrest. The incident prompted widespread outrage around the world, and reduced U.S. domestic support for the Vietnam War. Three American Servicemen (Hugh Thompson, Jr., Glenn Andreotta, and Lawrence Colburn), who made an effort to halt the massacre and protect the wounded, were sharply criticized by U.S. Congressmen, and received hate mail, death threats, and mutilated animals on their doorsteps.[76] Thirty years after the event their efforts were honored.[77]

Canicattì massacre

Spoiler: Info

The Canicatti massacre (or Canicatti slaughter) was an incident that occurred in Canicattì, Italy following its capture by American forces. During the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, eight unarmed Italian civilians were killed by U.S. troops. The town of Canicattì had already surrendered when U.S. troops entered, following heavy German bombardment during their withdrawal.

Upon arrival, U.S. troops received a report that civilians were looting a bombed factory and filling up buckets with the factory's products - food and liquid soap. At around six o'clock in the evening Lieutenant Colonel George Herbert McCaffrey, the military governor of Palermo, and some military police arrived at the factory. McCaffrey fired into the crowd after it failed to disperse. At least eight civilians, including an eleven-year-old girl, were killed, though the exact number of casualties is uncertain.[1][2]

Just to name a few.

In February 2006, a video showing a group of British soldiers beating several Iraqi teenagers was posted on the internet, and shortly thereafter, on the main television networks around the world. The video took place in April 2004 and was taken from an upper storey of a building in the southern Iraqi town of Al-Amarah, shows many Iraqis outside a coalition compound. Following an altercation in which members of the crowd tossed rocks and reportedly an improvised grenade at the soldiers, the British soldiers rushed the crowd. The troopers brought some Iraqi teenagers into the compound and proceeded to beat them. The video includes a voiceover in a British accent by the cameraman, taunting the beaten teenagers. The individual recording could be heard saying:

"Oh, yes! Oh Yes! Now you gonna get it. You little kids. You little motherfucking bitch!, you little motherfucking bitch."


The Hola massacre was an incident at a detention camp in Hola, Kenya. By January 1959 the camp had a population of 506 detainees of whom 127 were held in a secluded "closed camp". This more remote camp near Garissa, eastern Kenya, was reserved for the most uncooperative of the detainees. They often refused, even when threats of force were made, to join in the colonial "rehabilitation process" or perform manual labour or obey colonial orders. The camp commandant outlined a plan that would force 88 of the detainees to bend to work. On 3 March 1959, the camp commandant put this plan into action – as a result, 11 detainees were clubbed to death by guards. All of the surviving detainees sustained serious permanent injuries. The British government accepts that the colonial administration tortured detainees, but denies liability.

just to name a few lol
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You could say the same about Christians with the holy book argument. As for soldiers following regulations? Well here's a list of war crimes they have committed under the orders of their superiors:

No Gun Ri Massacre:

Spoiler: Info

The No Gun Ri Massacre refers to an incident of mass killing of an undetermined number of South Korean refugees conducted by U.S. soldiers of the 7th Cavalry Regiment (and in a U.S. air attack) between 26 July and 29 July 1950 at a railroad bridge near the village of Nogeun-ri, 100 miles (160 km) southeast ofSeoul. In 2005, the South Korean government certified the names of 163 dead or missing (mostly women, children, and old men) and 55 wounded. It said that many other victims' names were not reported.[70] Over the years survivors' estimates of the dead have ranged from 300 to 500. This episode early in theKorean War gained widespread attention when the Associated Press (AP) published a series of articles in 1999 that subsequently won a Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.[71]

My Lai Massacre

Spoiler: Info

My Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam, almost entirely civilians, most of them women and children, conducted by U.S. soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division, on 16 March 1968. Some of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War.[74][75] Of the 26 U.S. soldiers initially charged with criminal offenses or war crimes for actions at My Lai, only William Calley was convicted. Initially sentenced to life in prison, Calley had his sentence reduced to ten years, then was released after only three and a half years under house arrest. The incident prompted widespread outrage around the world, and reduced U.S. domestic support for the Vietnam War. Three American Servicemen (Hugh Thompson, Jr., Glenn Andreotta, and Lawrence Colburn), who made an effort to halt the massacre and protect the wounded, were sharply criticized by U.S. Congressmen, and received hate mail, death threats, and mutilated animals on their doorsteps.[76] Thirty years after the event their efforts were honored.[77]

Canicattì massacre

Spoiler: Info

The Canicatti massacre (or Canicatti slaughter) was an incident that occurred in Canicattì, Italy following its capture by American forces. During the invasion of Sicily in July 1943, eight unarmed Italian civilians were killed by U.S. troops. The town of Canicattì had already surrendered when U.S. troops entered, following heavy German bombardment during their withdrawal.

Upon arrival, U.S. troops received a report that civilians were looting a bombed factory and filling up buckets with the factory's products - food and liquid soap. At around six o'clock in the evening Lieutenant Colonel George Herbert McCaffrey, the military governor of Palermo, and some military police arrived at the factory. McCaffrey fired into the crowd after it failed to disperse. At least eight civilians, including an eleven-year-old girl, were killed, though the exact number of casualties is uncertain.[1][2]

Just to name a few.
[doublepost=1474745551][/doublepost]

There's a difference between besieging a school and killing terrorists, and funding a terrorist group, only for it to come back and terrorise you, so then you invade a country and kill innocents in the name of freedom

no russia killed a shit ton of civilians on purpose. that's how you send a message

 

[GenericPlayer]

In February 2006, a video showing a group of British soldiers beating several Iraqi teenagers was posted on the internet, and shortly thereafter, on the main television networks around the world. The video took place in April 2004 and was taken from an upper storey of a building in the southern Iraqi town of Al-Amarah, shows many Iraqis outside a coalition compound. Following an altercation in which members of the crowd tossed rocks and reportedly an improvised grenade at the soldiers, the British soldiers rushed the crowd. The troopers brought some Iraqi teenagers into the compound and proceeded to beat them. The video includes a voiceover in a British accent by the cameraman, taunting the beaten teenagers. The individual recording could be heard saying:

"Oh, yes! Oh Yes! Now you gonna get it. You little kids. You little motherfucking bitch!, you little motherfucking bitch."


The Hola massacre was an incident at a detention camp in Hola, Kenya. By January 1959 the camp had a population of 506 detainees of whom 127 were held in a secluded "closed camp". This more remote camp near Garissa, eastern Kenya, was reserved for the most uncooperative of the detainees. They often refused, even when threats of force were made, to join in the colonial "rehabilitation process" or perform manual labour or obey colonial orders. The camp commandant outlined a plan that would force 88 of the detainees to bend to work. On 3 March 1959, the camp commandant put this plan into action – as a result, 11 detainees were clubbed to death by guards. All of the surviving detainees sustained serious permanent injuries. The British government accepts that the colonial administration tortured detainees, but denies liability.

just to name a few lol

So you see what I mean by imperialism then?

 

[Aziatsky]

So you see what I mean by imperialism then?

I'm showing you that everyone does it. Not just the US. What point are you even trying to make? That we should all just hold hands and be happy? That we should just STOP doing war? Stop the thing that has been apart of human nature for a VERY long time

 

[GenericPlayer]

I'm showing you that everyone does it. Not just the US. What point are you even trying to make? That we should all just hold hands and be happy?

The point I'm trying to make is that all countries that claim to fight for freedom and democracy are infact just war-mongerers that should be replaced immediately. We should just overthrow the current governments we have and replace them with worker controlled governments that have a direct democracy.

Oh, muh human nature. No it isn't, never has been. That's just the excuse that your leaders and corporations give the population to prevent them from doing anything about it.

 

[Aziatsky]

The point I'm trying to make is that all countries that claim to fight for freedom and democracy are infact just war-mongerers that should be replaced immediately. We should just overthrow the current governments we have and replace them with worker controlled governments that have a direct democracy.

Oh, muh human nature. No it isn't, never has been. That's just the excuse that your leaders and corporations give the population to prevent them from doing anything about it.

late reply i know
but yes, war is in our nature.
sorry bud.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-war-a-part-of-human-nature

Chimpanzees have been known to have conflicts between two groups. Ants have been known to have huge 'wars' with armies. It's nature. Maybe politics make it more heated, but when it comes down to it, war is nature.

 

[GenericPlayer]

late reply i know
but yes, war is in our nature.
sorry bud.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-war-a-part-of-human-nature

Chimpanzees have been known to have conflicts between two groups. Ants have been known to have huge 'wars' with armies. It's nature. Maybe politics make it more heated, but when it comes down to it, war is nature.

Oh yes, I forgot when chimpanzees invaded land, enslaved people and fired intercontinental missiles. There is a large difference between war and conflict.

(P.S, don't know if you noticed, but that's a debating site. I can guarantee 90% of people there are not psychologists, nor do they know about evolutionary history)

 

[Aziatsky]

Oh yes, I forgot when chimpanzees invaded land, enslaved people and fired intercontinental missiles. There is a large difference between war and conflict.

(P.S, don't know if you noticed, but that's a debating site. I can guarantee 90% of people there are not psychologists, nor do they know about evolutionary history)

I was showing you what the majority thinks. It's unbiased.
War is in our basic nature. We're among the few that engage in it. We're just smart enough to make it 'better'

War is a state of armed conflict between societies. It is generally characterized by extreme aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces.

Conflict is a serious disagreement or argument, typically a protracted one.

The difference between the two isn't that large.

In the brutal animal kingdom, chimpanzees gang up to expand territory and ants raid other colonies to take slaves.

And yes, besides missiles, they do. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/160130-animals-insects-ants-war-chimpanzees-science/